Frank Meeink says he met Allison Mack at a dog park without knowing who she was, learned about her NXIVM past only after searching her online, and says he didn’t judge her. The Hidden Third podcast episode details how their relationship began and what he says
Frank Meeink didn’t recognize Allison Mack when he met her at a dog park.
He remembers seeing her with a pit bull “who had. like. a white furrow and beautiful pink skin. ” and leading with a line he now admits sounds creepy. “Me and Allison met at a dog park in our section of town. ” he said on The Hidden Third podcast last month. “I had no idea who she was. and she had this pit bull who had. like. a white furrow and beautiful pink skin. My opening line. which is a little creepy in a way. was like. ‘Hey. your dog has beautiful pink skin.’ … I looked up. and she was like. ‘Thank you.’”.
Mack and Meeink later married—two years after she was released from prison. In June 2025, news broke that the Smallville alum married a man named Frank. The marriage came after Mack’s NXIVM involvement. where she recruited and blackmailed women into becoming sex slaves for NXIVM cult leader Keith Raniere following her 2018 arrest. Mack pleaded guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy in 2021 and was sentenced to three years behind bars. She left prison after serving only 21 months.
Mack’s former husband describes a relationship that started before he knew the full weight of her history. He said he invited Mack to the Thai restaurant where he worked, and she came with her mom. As they talked. he said he told her about his own focus—prison reform—and about fighting “against racism and antisemitism.” Mack responded that she was “formerly incarcerated. ” and he said he didn’t ask questions right then.
Only after he looked her up online did he realize who she was. “Then I googled her, and I was like, ‘Oh s**t,’” he recalled.
Meeink framed that moment as part of his own complicated past. He says he had left the white supremacist movement in the 90s and now works at a nonprofit with unhoused people to connect them to resources. He also does “public speaking and civil rights activism.” In his telling. those facts sit alongside what he says he did before—making it hard. he insists. for him to judge Mack.
He told podcast host Mariana Van Zeller that he didn’t judge Mack for what happened in NXIVM. “I just looked at her and said, ‘You know, I’m a former neo-Nazi who used to kidnap people?’ Do you think I have any room to judge you? … No, I don’t judge you at all.”
For Meeink, he says, the relationship has kept going. He described their marriage as “amazing.”
The episode is also clouded by what Mack’s role in NXIVM meant. The reporting around her conviction notes that she was not only a recruiter, but one of the highest-ranking members of the sex cult, with women receiving branding of Raniere’s and her initials on their bodies.
Even with those details in the background, Meeink says he and Mack have stayed together since their first meeting. He spoke about their marriage for the first time publicly in the recent podcast appearance. including the moment he learned who she was—and the way he says he decided not to hold it against her.
The full conversation is shared in a video embedded with the episode. and viewers can watch Frank speak about their marriage through the linked YouTube clip. The article also directs readers to resources from the SPLC at https://www.splcenter.org/ and to the Department of Justice’s Office on Violence Against Women resources at https://www.justice.gov/ovw/resources-for-survivors.
Allison Mack Frank Meeink Smallville NXIVM Keith Raniere Mariana Van Zeller The Hidden Third podcast civil rights activism prison reform racketeering conspiracy former neo-Nazi